Knowing Islam

To answer the non-Muslim questions

Knowing Islam

To answer the non-Muslim questions

Knowing Islam

All the answers of your questions are in Quran. All the knowledge, sciences, philosophy, ethics, etc. are in Quran.
Ask your questions and get your answers through it.

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 Define God

by Ansaralmahdi :

Imam Ali(A.S.):Praise is due to God whose worth cannot be described by speakers, whose bounties cannot be counted by calculators and whose claim (to obedience) cannot be satisfied by those who attempt to do so, whom the height of intellectual courage cannot appreciate, and the divings of understanding cannot reach; He for whose description no limit has been laid down, no
eulogy exists, no time is ordained and no duration is fixed.

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by …………(the atheist) :

if all of that is true, then how do you propose to define God? or is this your way of saying God is undefinable? in which case what are we suppose to talk about?

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by Ansaralmahdi :

Yes, I wanted to answer the people who say "define God" as you see in the topics of the religious forum. Of course, God is undefinable. We are supposed to talk about this illogical demand of some people to define God.

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by……………(the atheist) : 

If we have no conception of God then how are we going to talk about God? 

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by Ansaralmahdi :

O.k. That is exactly why I wrote about this meanless topic which some people talked about. Yes, we know that while we don't have any conception of God we shouldn't talk or even think about Him the way to look for a definition for Him. As Imam Ali(A.S.) has said: "........... the divings of understanding cannot reach; He for whose description no limit has been laid down........"

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by …………(the atheist) :

I don't have the patience to do this kind of song and dance with theists - I'm an atheist. I don't have any idea what you are going on about and it sounds like you don't have any idea either. This unfortunately doesn't seem to slow believers down any.

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by Ansaralmahdi :

Quran (Surah Thunder, verse1-5):
"A.L.M.R.- These are verses from th Book, what has been sent down to you by your Lord is the Truth, even thoug most men do not believe so."
God is the One Who has raised up the Heavens without any support you can see.Then He mounted on the Throne and regulated the sun and moon, each runs along on a specific course.He directs the matter, He manifests signs so that you may be convinced about meeting your Lord."

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by …………(the atheist) :

See just as I thought, you can't talk about God but are going to start making all kinds of claim about it, what sense does that make?

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by Ansaralmahdi :

Imam Ali(A.S.):
Whoever said in what is He, held that He is contained; and whoever said on what is He held.
He is not on something else. He is a Being but not through phenomenon of coming into being.
He exists but not from non-existence. He is with everything but not in physical nearness.
He is different from everything but not in physical separation.
He acts but without connotation of movements and instruments. He sees  even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is only One, such that there is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in his absence.

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by …………(the atheist) :

We don't come here to have scripture mindlessly quote to us. If that's all you intend to do, you might move along now and save us both the trouble.

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by Ansaralmahdi :

I gave you through those scriptures the answers of all your even not asked questions which could be in your mind at the near future.
And don't you see the statements that we are replying to each other?
Even though I have got all my thoughts and dialogues from the Holy Quran and Nahjolbalagheh conciousely. But if you read them mindlessly
it's your problem please don't continue it such a way.
A slept man would be awakened but a man who is trying to be slept, would not be awakened.

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The second part of the discussion:

 Ansaralmahdi » Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:06 pm wrote:
 I gave you through those scriptures the answers of all your even not
asked questions which could be in your mind at the near future.
And don't you see the statements that we are replying to each other?
Even though I have got all my thoughts and dialogues from the Holy
Quran and Nahjolbalagheh conciousely. But if you read them mindlessly
it's your problem please don't continue it such a way.
A slept man would be awakened but a man who is trying to be slept
would not be awakened.
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By …………….(an atheist)
No you did not answer any of my question, you quoted scripture at me
and made no effort to interpret that scripture so that it was directly
relevant to my questions. Perhaps the verse do answer my questions but
not so I can tell.
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by Ansaralmahdi on February 16th, 2015, 12:05 am
You said that you don't have any conception of God. It's
impossible.All the people have a pure origin. Conception of God is at
all hearts. But it's covered by your insist to believe such the way
you want.
If you think the scriptures need to be interpreted please tell me to
interprate them. I thought they are quiet clear
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By …………….(an atheist)
I have no idea what your conception of God is because you've said you
can't talk about it. I have lots of conceptions of gods and most of
them I share with theists who also don't believe in those ideas
either. I've no idea what a 'pure origin' conception of God is and
concepts are in my brain not my heart. What's covered by what? You
really need to be more specific with you comments remember you aren't
talking to somebody that shares your beliefs, the code and shorthand
doesn't work.
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 by Ansaralmahdi on February 16th, 2015, 8:44 am
I never said that I can't talk about my belief.
I mean propably some hearts are covered for example with jealousity ,
hate, ignorance, and etc. So it doesn't allow them to understand the
reality of so many things. You think that concepts aren't in your
heart. (Heart that we are talking about isn't that which is in our
chest)
They just think they understand many things. It's logically true that
if you don't understand some beliefs you shouldn't say that they are
wrong. You should only say that I don't know anything about it. And
you said it. And you said those concepts are in your brain so your
heart understood that. It means your pure origin understood that.
Athiests heart is covered from understanding the reality(their pure origin).
(The Cow Surah, v. 6-7)

'It is all the same whether you warn those who disbelieve(God) or do
not warn them, they still will not believe: God has sealed off their
hearts and their hearing, while over their sight there hangs a
covering: they will have severe torment."
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By …………….(an atheist)
So it's God's fault (God sealed my heart) but he's going to torment me
for it. I've always thought the Christian God is a nasty piece of work
and as I understand it Islam has the same God.

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 by Ansaralmahdi on February 16th, 2015, 9:26 am
But I said exactly opposite to that since your heart understood that
the concepts are in your brain. So you are not an athiest. So your
heart isn't sealed.
Secoundly, when God says He has sealed off their hearts it's just
because all the power is for him. even though people seal off their
heart by their actions. But since he created all the human beings free
to decide about their life, belief, and etc. so they do what they do.
If they believe the truth, they do it themselves.
(Joseph Surah, v. 52)
"(Joseph said) I do not claim to be innocent myself: one's soul is
prone to (commit) evil, except for anything my Lord shows mercy for.
MY Lord is Forgiving, Merciful."
As you see even Prophet Joseph said that one's soul is prone to commit
evil but we should care of it and ask for Lord's mercy.
I know that you don't believe in God. Just test him and ask for his
mercy sincerely, then you'll see how he will help you. Then you'll see
how your heart, your pure origin would show itself to you. Then you'll
see how the cover of your sight, would fall away.
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By …………….(an atheist)
If there is a God, he knows what it would take for me to believe, no
need for me to do anything (test him? ask for mercy?).
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 by Ansaralmahdi on February 16th, 2015, 10:00 am
See, you shouldn't risk. Since if there is a God , you will lose if
you don't ask him sincerely to guide you.
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By …………….(an atheist)
Pascal's wager is facile. You can't ask all the god' sincerely now can you?

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 by Ansaralmahdi on February 16th, 2015, 11:57 am
He is looking for our sincerity.
(Jonah Surah, v. 99)
"So will you force mankind to become believers? It is not up to any
soul to believe unless it (happens) with God's permission he places a
blight on those who do not use their reason. Say: look at
whatever(exists) in Heaven and Earth. Signs and warning do not benefit
any people who do not believe"
(The Cow Surah, v. 186)
"Whenever My servants ask you about Me(it means) I am near, I answer
the appeal of the prayerful one whenever he appeals to Me. Let them
respond to Me, and believe in Me so they may be directed."
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By …………….(an atheist)
You miss the point. Which God are we suppose to ask sincerely?

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 by Ansaralmahdi on February 16th, 2015, 1:26 pm
Your answer is in this verse of Quran.
(The Standard Surah, v. 2)

"the One Who holds control over Skys and Earth, Who has not adopted
any son nor has He any associate in control. He has created everything
and measured it out precisely."
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By …………….(an atheist)
That doesn't answer my question at all.

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 by Ansaralmahdi on February 16th, 2015, 2:39 pm
'whether you reveal anything or hide it, God is Aware of everything"
(The Coalition Surah, v. 53)
Didn't you say that: Which God are we suppose to ask sincerely?
And is it your answer that: "the One Who holds control over Skys and
Earth, Who has not adopted any son nor has He any associate in
control. He has created everything and measured it out precisely."
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By …………….(an atheist)
Is that supposed to be telling me something specific because it comes
across as a description that could apply to almost every god I've
heard of. It is extremely vague.
And how do you know that is what God is/does?
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by Ansaralmahdi
(The Ants Surah, v. 90-91)
' i have only been ordered to serve the Lord of this region which He
has hallowed. He possesses everything. I have been ordered to be a
Muslim, and to recite the Quran. Anyone whi is guided, will be guided
only for his own sake, while tell anyone who strays away: "I am merely
a warner." Say: "Praise be to God! He will show you His signs so you
may recognize them. Your Lord is not overlooking anything you do!"
So look for his signs. I believe you'll see them soon.
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By …………….(an atheist)
Signs won't be enough and I'm kind of dense also but if there is a
god, it knows what would be as I said earlier.
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by Ansaralmahdi
(Loghman Surah, v. 20)
‘Do you not see how God has harnessed whatever is in Skies and
whatever is on Earth for you? He has lavished His favour on you both
publicly and privately. Yet some men will still argue about God
without having any knowledge or guidance, nor any enlightening Book!
Whenever they are told: “ Follow whatever God has sent down,” they
say: “ Rather we follow what we found our forefathers doing.” Even
though Satan has been inviting them to the torment of the Blaze?”

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